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A letter from Henry Hoare in 1807

I’ve been given an old letter, which had been on sale on eBay in 2020.

It’s a single sheet of paper that was folded, with the address on one part. It has a postmark of October 180?. Only part of the final digit of the year is visible, and so I initially thought it could be either a 3 or a 7. However, on transcribing the text of the letter, it referred to a disaster at Sadlers Wells in 1807, and so that fixed the year.

The letter is from Henry Hoare, while presumably visiting relatives in Devon. The postmark shows Weymouth. It was addressed to the Reverend B. Shuttleworth at Mitcham Grove. The Reverend also write a note on the sheet.

Below are four scans of the letter, after which is my interpretation of what is written. I have been assisted by Google Gemini 3 in deciphering some of the writing, and in providing context to the language used.

The letter from Henry Hoare to Rev B. Shuttleworh

My dear Sir
                                  Weymouth 22 Oct

                           Only as to the needful on the 
Subject of Time can I now write as we are off for Dawlish 
almost immediately _ I wish Chard & Taylor to go over the
whole of Batts land & see the 80 Trees that are marked:

You may arrange them thus putting the Number of Oaks & Elms
against each

            Slip       Oaks        Elms
Barn Meadow             Oaks       Elms
Orchard                 Oaks       Elms
Seven Acres             Oaks       Elms
Wood                    Oaks       Elms
Three Acres             Oaks       
Three Fields  |
rented by Mr  |>        Oaks       Elms
Savignac      |

Let Chard mention in what Part of Mr Savignac's Fields the
Trees marked are situated in. What a dreadful Preperation
for Eternity is Sadlers Wells. It really hurts me beyond Measure 
that Lydia should fall a Sacrifice in so dreadful a Calamity
how awful is it. 

You will read the enclosed & take it to Mrs Batts having previously 
sealed it, & hear what she has to say but She must communicate
to me her Sentiments in writing. Let me have Chard's Communication 
as soon as possible directed to Luscombe Teignmouth Devonshire. 
Our loves to Henry. I wish after you have seen 
Mrs Batts you would call on Mr Burley who I think has 
Chambers in Lincolns Inn & mention to him what Mrs Batts says.

            I am My dear Sir

                        most truly sincerely Yours
                                           H Hoare

The notes by Rev B. Shuttleworth

  The purport of Mr Hoare's Letter to Mrs Batts
which I read and delivered, was this viz
That He disapproved of her taking two persons 
over his Land, and marking Trees, without 
acquainting him with her intention, or 
taking his Carpenter or Bailiff with them 
who could have best described the Trees to Mr H.

  He also disapproved of so large a number as 
80 - and seem'd desirous to purchase them 
standing at a fair valuation, rather than 
have his grounds, and those of his undertenants 
injured, by having them cut down, and taken 
away, by any Timbermerchant she might 
employ —
        To the above Mrs Batts could not 
make any positive reply, till she had consulted 
with her friends, after which she would send 
Mr H an answer — She said she could not 
find the Carpenter or Bailiff, otherwise she 
would have gladly taken them with her over 
the Place. She appeared —"

### The Note in the Margin (Sideways text)

This section continues directly from "She appeared —"

 ...desirous of doing nothing but what was Just 
and fair, and said she should be glad to have 
it in her power to oblige Mr H. as much as 
she possibly could —

                           B Shuttleworth

Notes
1. The note from Rev Shuttleworth confirms that Mrs Batts (likely the owner of the land that Hoare was leasing or had rights over) went onto the property with her own men to mark 80 trees for felling.

Henry Hoare was unhappy because:

She didn’t tell him she was coming.
She didn’t take his Bailiff (estate manager) to identify the correct trees.
He felt 80 trees was too many.
He was worried the felling process would damage the land for his sub-tenants (like Mr. Savignac).

He offered to “purchase them standing at a fair valuation” — essentially paying her the value of the timber just to keep the trees in the ground and avoid the mess of cutting them down.

2. Luscombe Teignmouth was bought by a relative of Henry Hoare. See Historic England entry for Luscombe Castle.

3. Mrs Batts might be from Batts Farm, which the Merton Historical society say was owned by Henry Hoare in 1828. See Bulletin 174 (pdf).

4. The event at Sadlers Wells noted refers to a disaster at the Sadler’s Wells theatre on 15th October 1807, when 18 people were killed in a stampede when the audience thought they heard someone shout “Fire!”.

5. The Lydia referred to who perished in the stampede was Lydia Carr, according to this list from the Oracle and the Daily Advertiser – Saturday 17 October 1807.

  1. John Labdon, No. 7, Bell-yard, Temple-bar.
  2. Rebecca Ling, No. 5, Bridge-court, Cannon-row, Westminster, aged 20.
  3. Benjamin Price, No. 31, Lime-street, Leadenhall-street aged 11.
  4. John Greenwood, No. 7, King-street, Hoxton, aged 18.
  5. Sarah Chaukley, Castle-street, Oxford-road.
  6. Roda Wall, Hoxton.
  7. Mary Evans, No. 3, Hoxton-market, 23 years of age.
  8. Caroline —-, Plough-court, Whitechapel, an unfortunate girl of the town, and with child.
  9. William Spincks, No. 2, Hoxton-place, a porter, aged 17.
  10. James Philliston, Pentonville.
  11. Edward Clements, No. 12, Paradice-row, Battle Bridge.
  12. Joseph Groves, Hoxton-square, gilder, 23 years of age.
  13. Edward Bland, No. 13, Bear-street, Leicester-field, aged 22.
  14. Elizabeth Margaret Ward, No. 20, Plumtree-street, Bloomsbury, aged 21.
  15. Lydia Carr, No. 23, Peerless Pool, 18 years old.
  16. John Ward, No. 2, Glasshouse-yard, Goswell-street, an errand boy, aged 12 years.
  17. Charles Judd, Artillery-court, Bishopsgate-street, aged 20.
  18. Rebecca Saunders, Draper’s-buildings, Old-street.

It’s not known what relationship she had with Henry Hoare, but the following analysis from Google Gemini is plausible.

Based on the evidence in the letter and the casualty list, you are almost certainly correct that Henry Hoare is referring to Lydia Carr (Victim #15).

Here is an analysis of why this identification holds up and what it suggests about their relationship:

1. The “Only Lydia” Conclusion

As you noted, there is only one “Lydia” on the official casualty list of 18 people.

Henry Hoare’s Family: Henry Hoare (1750–1828) did have a wife named Lydia Henrietta and a daughter named Lydia Elizabeth. However, his wife died in 1816 and his daughter died in 1856. Since the letter explicitly states that “Lydia should fall a Sacrifice” (i.e., died in the 1807 accident), he cannot be referring to his own female relatives.
The Victim: This leaves Lydia Carr, aged 18, as the only possible candidate.

2. The Nature of the Connection: “My Servant Lydia?”

The way Henry Hoare refers to her simply as “Lydia”—without a surname, but with deep emotional investment (“hurts me beyond Measure”)—strongly suggests she was a member of his household staff, likely a maid or servant.

Naming Convention: In 1807, a gentleman like Henry Hoare would refer to friends or peers by their surname (e.g., “Mr. Smith”) or full title. Referring to a non-relative by their first name alone was typical for servants.

The Address: The list records her address as “No. 23 Peerless Pool”. This was likely her parents’ or family’s home (where her brother John, who identified her body, also likely lived). It was common for young women in service to visit their families or go out with friends (like the “errand boy” John Ward, victim #16) on their nights off.

3. “Dreadful Preparation for Eternity”

This phrase is significant and confirms Henry Hoare’s specific worldview.

Evangelical Anxiety: Henry Hoare was a devout Evangelical Christian (associated with the “Clapham Sect” circles). To a man of his religious conviction, the theatre was considered a place of sin and frivolity.
The “Hurt”: His distress (“hurts me beyond Measure”) is likely twofold:
1. Personal Grief: He lost a member of his household whom he knew and perhaps cared for paternally.
2. Spiritual Anguish: He believed she died in a state of sin (at a theatre), rather than in prayer or at home. The “dreadful preparation” refers to her soul being taken while she was watching a “rowdy” pantomime, which he would fear jeopardized her salvation.

Conclusion:
You have likely found a letter from a master mourning his young servant. Lydia Carr was an 18-year-old woman, likely employed in the Hoare household, who went to the theatre (perhaps on leave to see her family at Peerless Pool) and died in the crush. Hoare’s letter captures the collision of personal grief and the intense religious anxieties of the era.

Anglo Saxon Cemetery at Morden Road

The 1953 OS map shows “Anglo Saxon Burial Ground” in back garden of no. 67 Morden Road. Its location led to the road name of Runes Close, referring to the writing method of the Angles and Saxons.

1953 OS map reproduced by permission of the National Library of Scotland, reuse CC-BY

These houses were built in the 1930s, and the burial ground had been excavated over a period of 1888 to 1922. This earlier OS map from 1910 shows the openness of the land between Morden Road and the river Wandle. It was part of the estate of the owners of Mitcham Grove House, who during the period of excavation were George Parker BIDDER II, Q.C., and his son Harold BIDDER.

1910 OS map reproduced by permission of the National Library of Scotland, reuse CC-BY

Remains from Anglo Saxon burials, human bones and artefacts such as brooches, extended over a much larger area. This sketch shows the excavations by Harold Bidder and is from his report he co-authored with John Morris from 1959, The Anglo-Saxon Cemetery at Mitcham, which can be downloaded from the Surrey Archaeological Society website (pdf of 98 pages).

What led to these excavations included gravel digging. Gravel is common in the flood plain of the river Wandle and where that river used to run millions of years ago, such as over Mitcham Common. Gravel gained value during the Victorian building boom as it’s used in making concrete. Workmen who found bones while digging for gravel tended to keep it to themselves, and one of the fields became known as Dead Man’s Close.

In addition, the cultivation of liquorice, whose roots go down 4 or 5 feet deep, led to further discoveries over an even wider area. Ben Slater, recalling in 1911, said:

Liquorice, which is grown for its root, penetrates the earth to the depth of from 3 to 4 feet, and has to be trenched out of the ground. In the work of getting this crop out the men came across a large quantity of human bones – some of the skeletons were found in stone coffins – with them a long sword was found; a number of spears were also found, also silver and bronze coins; most of these the men kept – also some of the spears. There used to be a man come down each week and buy these of the men employed in the work – all the swords – and most of the spears were taken to Major Moore’s house at Figge’s Marsh, where he lived at Manor House by the Swan Hotel.

Here is a list of the artefacts found:

- 44 brooches 
- 14 buckles
- 10 strings of beads
-  5 glass vessels
-  9 pottery vessels
- 39 knives
- 13 swords
- 15 shield-bosses
- 36 spears

Additionally, there were various miscellaneous objects made of bronze, iron, bone, and ivory. For drawings of some of the artefacts, see the Merton Historical Society webpage.

In 1914 Saxon relics were also found near Mitcham Station.

From the minutes of the Mitcham Parish Council
Volume 12 April 1914 to March 1915
Page 28

SAXON RELICS

The Clerk reported the receipt of the following letter from the General Manager of the London Brighton and South Coast Railway.

               LONDON, BRIGHTON & SOUTH COAST RAILWAY

                             General Manager's Office
                                     London Bridge Station, S.E.,
                                            26th May, 1914.

Dear Sir,

I enclose herewith two bronze tin-plated brooches, a bronze pin and iron knife supposed surrounded by a wooden sheath, which were recently discovered during excavations on this Company’s property near Mitcham Station, together with a photograph of same, and as the articles are no doubt of antiquarian interest, I am authorised by my Directors to forward them to you to be placed in the Vestry Hall at Mitcham, where I understand other similar relics found in the neighbourhood are on view.

I also enclose photographs of three skeletons which were unearthed at the same place recently.

I shall be obliged if you will kindly acknowledge receipt.

                         Yours faithfully, 
                                 WILLIAM FORBES.

From the minutes of the Mitcham Parish Council
Volume 12 April 1914 to March 1915
Page 102

The following letter was read from the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway Co.

               LONDON, BRIGHTON & SOUTH COAST RAILWAY

                             General Manager's Office
                                     London Bridge Station, S.E.,
                                            23rd October, 1914.

Dear Sir,

With reference to my letter of the 26th May last, and your reply of the 27th idem, another ornament has been found in excavating gravel near Mitcham Station. Captain Bidder informs me that it is a gold-plated bronze brooch, a beautiful piece of work and important, as its design (purely geometrical without any trace of “animal” motive) points to a very early Saxon period, probably the sixth or seventh century.

I am authorised by my Directors to forward this brooch to you to be placed in the Vestry Hall at Mitcham with the other similar relics found in the neighbourhood.

I also have the pleasure of inclosing a photograph of the brooch.

     Kindly acknowledge receipt.
                         Yours faithfully, 
                                 WILLIAM FORBES.

A find of 3 skeletons in 1920 was reported in the press:

GRIM DISCOVERY AT MITCHAM

From Our Own Correspondent.

Mitcham, Thursday.

—”Dead Man’s Close,” a beautiful spot on the banks of the Wandle at Mitcham, has justified its lugubrious name, for three full-sized skeletons, two of them with swords by their sides, have just been dug up there by workmen excavating for gravel. The field in which the gravel-pit is situated is the property of Lieut.-Col. Harold Bidder, D.S.O.

While Col. Bidder was describing the remains to me to day he was informed that more bones had been unearthed, and also a bronze buckle. “As the work proceeds.” he said, “I expect and hope many more relics will come to light.” It appears that the present discoveries are not the first the kind made in Mitcham, or even in the same field. “They began in a very curious way,” explained the Colonel. “They were due, in fact, to a lucky accident.

A Chance Discovery

“About 35 years ago labourers employed by my father in this same part of the Ravensbury Manor estate came upon a of skeletons, but thinking that (in the words the bailiff) people did not like to hear such things, they said nothing about the matter, and it was only the chance discovery of a human bone by a member of the family two or three years later that led to investigation and scientific exploration. Since we began excavating in earnest we have dug up about 150 graves, not all containing remains. They are undoubtedly Anglo- Saxon of the fifth and early sixth centuries. Mitcham, it is known, was a Saxon settlement, and the carefully laid out remains, all properly orientated, though the majority are male, point to a cemetery rather than battlefield.”


In 1922 the south side of Morden Road was widened by 16 feet and some graves were encountered in digging post-holes for a new fence.


In the introduction to the book, The Place-Names of Surrey from the English Place-Name Society, published in 1934, the burial grounds of Mitcham and Croydon were described as the principal heathen burial-grounds of Surrey.

The Anglo-Saxon cemetery is recorded as Monument No. 400549 in Historic England’s Research Records.